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E003 | Chas Burkhart
In the latest episode of Crewcial Partners' Aspirational Investing podcast, CIO Mike Miller sits down with Chas Burkhart to discuss the current state of the investment world, and why thoughtful diversification and an authentic approach to ESG are crucial for building an impactful, successful investment strategy.
Takeaways & Insights
The current state of the investment world is dominated by market concentration, impatience, and short-term thinking. Permanent capital, thoughtful diversification, support for diverse managers, and an authentic approach to ESG and impact investing are crucial for building a sustainable, successful investment strategy. Adaptability, patience, and a willingness to explore beyond the mainstream are key to navigating today's market complexities. The path to success may not be straightforward, but focusing on quality, resilience, and diverse perspectives positions investors for durable long-term outperformance.
Finding Permanent Capital and Building Long-Term Relationships
Traditional private equity funds can be restrictive, often forcing exits at inopportune times and disrupting long-term investment strategies. Shifting to “permanent capital ” avoids these pressures, enabling more uninterrupted, meaningful relationships with asset and wealth management businesses. Long-term, quality partnerships are better able to thrive when capital isn't pressured by short-term fund cycles.
The "Magnificent 7" Dilemma and Concentration Risks
Today's market presents a unique challenge: invest heavily in the "Mag 7" mega-cap tech companies to match index performance or risk short- to intermediate-term underperformance by pursuing a diversified, long-term approach. This concentration trend has significant implications, particularly for boutique firms that cannot match the size and resources of larger asset managers. The market's tendency toward concentration raises the question: can smaller firms afford to resist this trend without suffering major consequences? In short, yes, by focusing on undervalued opportunities, success can be achieved through patience and educating clients on the benefits of resisting short-term market trends.
Boutique Asset Managers: Struggles and Solutions
Boutique institutional firms often struggle during market downturns, especially those led by aging founders without clear succession plans. Many firms have seen dramatic drops in assets under management within short periods, revealing this sector’s volatility. Market changes, client impatience, and shifts in investor preferences further contribute to these challenges. Effective internal development and equity transition are critical to ensuring younger managers can step up and sustain the business. Without a robust plan, firms risk their long-term survival.
The Necessity of Patience in Investing
Patience is essential when investing in out-of-favor managers or sectors. The strategy is not about rushing into undervalued ideas; it's about being willing to wait for their potential to unfold. However, patience is increasingly difficult to maintain, as clients and committees now often demand results within 18 months rather than over the traditional three-to-five-year horizon. This short-term mindset pushes asset managers and investors toward decisions that may undermine long-term success.
Ownership Structures Are Key to Long-Term Success
Employee-owned firms that focus on long-term sustainability, functional excellence, and effective internal equity transitions are more likely to navigate market challenges successfully. It’s not just about having a strong investment strategy; it's about building a resilient business model that can withstand market volatility and periods of underperformance.
The Rise of the OCIO Model
The OCIO (Outsourced Chief Investment Officer) model continues to gain ground as institutions struggle to build and retain strong internal investment teams. Outsourcing provides professional portfolio management without the burden of hiring an internal team, making it a practical approach for institutions aiming for long-term, sustainable success. However, shifting decision-making from institution-specific committees to third-party firms can lead to potential misalignments in time horizon, as some outsourced firms may operate with a shorter-term focus. It is important to partner with advisors that have a deep understanding of the specifics and parameters of the organizations they serve.
Concentration vs. Diversification: A Critical Debate
The current investment environment increasingly favors concentrated investments in well-known names, particularly in the tech sector. This trend raises questions about the value of diversification. To meet long-term return goals, investors need to explore controversial areas, lesser-known markets, and strategies that may initially seem out of favor. Meaningful diversification requires courage and the willingness to take calculated risks in less crowded spaces.
Diverse Firms and Talent are Essential Yet Undervalued
Investing in diverse talent and emerging managers is crucial, yet real progress remains limited due to persistent industry biases. Women-led and BIPOC-led firms face additional challenges, particularly during market downturns. Supporting these managers requires a conscious effort to look beyond traditional criteria and understand their unique potential. Diverse perspectives can lead to differentiated investment strategies, but ingrained biases often cause these perspectives to be undervalued or disregarded. Simply put, authentic, talented managers exist across all demographics, and backing them can yield significant benefits over time.
The Complexity and Misunderstanding of ESG and Impact Investing
Authentic ESG investing should start with mission-driven goals rather than simply excluding certain companies. Many efforts in the ESG space have become overly focused on screening and ratings, lacking the nuance needed to capture the complexities of sustainable investing. Real impact investing focuses on achieving specific goals, such as community reinvestment, racial justice, or climate change, and measures returns based on these outcomes. The notion that ESG-focused investments compromise performance is flawed; avoiding companies that take excessive environmental, social, or governance risks can lead to better long-term returns. ESG and impact investing align investments with a more sustainable, resilient future.
Adaptability and a Global Perspective are Crucial
Navigating today’s complex market environment requires flexibility and a diverse, global perspective. Geopolitical changes, economic shifts, and market cycles demand an investment approach that is both nimble and informed. Identifying and supporting high-quality businesses that can withstand market conditions involves looking beyond the obvious and venturing into uncharted territories. Success often comes from diversifying across different regions, asset classes, and strategies. While some investments will inevitably be wrong, the focus should remain on building a portfolio capable of delivering long-term returns without relying solely on concentrated market bets.
- Permanent capital is an investment structure without fixed timeframes, unlike traditional private equity funds, which require selling assets within set lifecycles. This flexibility allows investors to hold onto assets as long as they find it beneficial, avoiding forced sales regardless of market conditions. By removing these time constraints, permanent capital fosters more strategic, uninterrupted partnerships, focusing on long-term growth rather than the pressure of achieving short-term gains.
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This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not constitute financial, legal, or investment advice. The opinions expressed are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views of Crewcial Partners LLC. Listeners should consult with a qualified financial advisor before making any investment decisions. Past performance is not indicative of future results, and all investments involve risk.
What were some of the main successes of Crewcial Partners last year?
Summary: Most importantly, we maintained our long-term posture through an unfriendly market. Markets have a way of overreacting to events; however, our clients stayed on track and kept their public equity exposure at high levels. Our process ensured we never faced liquidity challenges or any issue that demanded we act in a short-term matter.
Lesson: A long-term bias works but requires discipline, diversification, and an understanding of expectations. Fundamentals and valuation—the price you pay for something— ultimately matters. Crises and difficult times have winners and losers. The winners are ultimately those with the strongest balance sheets, best business strategies, and the most capable manager teams; they win over the longer term because they're better than their competition.
What are your thoughts on sizing in the current environment?
Summary: It can seem contrary to human nature at times; the stuff that does well, you want to see become a bigger and bigger part of the portfolio. However, you should be adding money to managers that have struggled but are poised to rebound, keeping in mind your longer-term return profile. Sizing is important and depends on a deep understanding of diversification and manager volatility profiles.
Lesson: Take advantage of the natural cyclicality within markets, selling at the peaks and buying the bottom is the way to long-term sustainable success. Be proactive when managers have a great year. When Crewcial has a manager that's up 100%, we ensure that we trim back 25-50% so the capital is ready to redeploy into out-of-favor managers with even stronger future prospects.
What are some of the areas that could be improved from 2023?
Summary: We are still trying to wrap our heads around the way markets are actually functioning; the gap between price and fundamental value seems as if it's become unbounded. This creates a problem of balance. If you're constructing a diversified portfolio, one of your underlying assumptions is that it will moderate volatility and some of the short-terms concerns; this should allow you to play offense when things are bad and a little defense when things are really good. But that falls apart if markets are creating high correlations that shouldn't exist between strategies. We’re still learning to better understand which conditions can and will create more of these correlation issues, so that we don't end up constructing portfolios that require truly extraordinary levels of patience to see through.
Lesson: Cultivate a better understanding of correlation among managers. Thinking about managers based on the way they behave in different market climates is important. Prepare for various environments and build portfolios that are not going to have several seemingly distinct strategies reacting to the same market environment. Diversification is ultimately always your friend.
What are some of the insights you’ve gained from your latest year of travel?
Summary: Being back on the road has been one of the great events of 2023. It’s rewarding to physically sit down with people, whether in Europe, Asia, South America, Africa, or the United States, and really hear what they’re seeing on the ground, what they’re doing in their portfolios, and the real-world implications, because markets aren't necessarily the real world. Being reminded how different people see the world differently is immensely important as an investor.
Lesson: Preferable options exist outside indexation; opening up to a global perspective broadens one’s ability to consider truly impactful diversification. The goal is to find differentiated thinking wherever it is. We're not looking for investment managers, we’re looking for thoughtful, engaged people who invest.
What does history tell us for “Magnificent Seven” index funds going forward?
Summary: The index has reached a very high level of valuation concentrated in a group of unbelievably dominant companies. However, while no one is arguing that Apple is a bad business, there is a price for everything and this price seems too high right now. From the 60s through the 00s, people felt the same about many companies that didn't prove to be very good investments. One way to illustrate this is to look at the top five in late 90s, which included Cisco, Intel, General Electric, Microsoft, and IBM. If we exclude Microsoft from the equation, these are all still pretty powerful businesses but they have not been good stocks to own. It’s the inevitable nature of impermanence. We can almost guarantee ten or 20 years from now, the current names will be around, but they probably won't be the most popular or dominant names in the market.
Lesson: Design portfolios to capture the broader economy; while well-constructed portfolios will always have allocations to bigger names, entire swaths of the economy are growing at a much faster rate than these brand-name businesses and are currently being overlooked by investors. Capture long-term opportunities today cheaply.
What is Crewcial excited about for 2024?
Summary: First, ESG, which has unfortunately become a very controversial subject. However, at the end of the day, it's a powerful risk framework; from our perspective, we need to be able to arm both our clients and our research team and consultants with better information on this subject and approach, as it’s a complicated topic. We can't make it simple, but we can identify very specific variables at the portfolio company level to transparently consider which managers and portfolios have a higher level of risk around material environmental, social, and governance issues that affect their viability as good investments.
Second, another big change at Crewcial was our formation of an investment committee. We’re doubling down on our approach, allowing talented team members to focus on what they understand best and follow their passions as investors, but we’re now taking those passions and directing them into somewhat of a more formalized process. It's based on tracking, monitoring, and ensuring individuals get the training they need to scale and fully capture the bigger picture to find the best managers, no matter their initial backgrounds upon entering the firm, while pairing complementary skillsets to bring out the team’s full potential.
Lesson: Don’t be afraid to be different while embracing the fundamental rules of finance. Identify the full scope of everyone’s areas of strength and play off each to build a greater whole. Embrace idiosyncrasies and preferences while being open and honest with feedback and assessments. We do not treat our investment team members as analysts, rather as investors cultivating an owner’s mindset. We're trying to find ways to capitalize on differentiated perspectives to ultimately uncover the difference between market price and fundamental value; seeing things differently, and cultivating an environment in which such perspectives can range openly, is a critical element of that.
We don’t just want the usual suspects from the same handful of schools, we want to expand our collective perspective to include more women, ethnically diverse individuals, and people of all persuasions from different parts of the country or with different educational or experiential backgrounds—talented people come in all shapes and sizes. A diverse team of diverse perspectives is intended to capture the overlooked points of view necessary to uncover the next great idea.
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